[identity profile] azul-bloom.livejournal.com posting in [community profile] vidding_livejournal_ark2
Hello,

I'm new to the community, but not so new to vidding. I, however, don't know how to rip a movie file and much thanx to [Bad username or site: @ livejournal.com] for telling me of the 3 programs I needed and pointing me to this community, but I still don't know how to use them.
I have downloaded:
DVD decrypter
TMPGEnc
DVDAVI

If anyone can point me to a place to get instructions or even jot down a few yourself, I'd be so in your debt!

Please help.
Thanx
Azul Bloom

Date: 2005-01-08 04:59 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] maubast.livejournal.com
There are guides here: http://www.videohelp.com/guides

which may help - don't know if all those particular programs are listed, but DVD2AVI and TMPGEnc is.

Date: 2005-01-08 01:19 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] maubast.livejournal.com
You're welcome!

Date: 2005-01-08 05:51 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] strawberrycocoa.livejournal.com
DVD Decrypter, you want to open the disc and look for the collection of really big .VOB files. Those will be your video. Select a destination folder and rip away.

Open up the .VOBs, and DVD2AVI can export from there as AVI files, but there is another (albiet slower and more complicated) way I usually use which involves a third program: AVISynth. The advantage to using AVISynth is that you can use it to apply filters (resize, sharpen, et cetera) without the need to render them in your video editting program of choice ad infinitum. The disadvantage is that you have to learn some script commands. AVISynth works by writing up a series of commands (.AVS) which reads to the raw DVD Rips directly using DVD2AVI Project Files (.D2Vs) as a pathway. This is insanely slow, but means you don't have to compromise the footage quality by compressing the DVD Rips down to an AVI file for source. Frankly, though, I personally don't use it to it's full potential. I only use the basics, so you'd have to hunt around for a more detailed explanation. For example: I've seen AVS scripts that run 50-60 lines and uses 20 different filters and I have no idea how many tweaks on those filters. Mine usually run about 4 lines: 1 for the source .D2V, two for the inverse-telecining command because I edit progressive, and the fourth makes it 24 frames per second instead of 23.976, so Premiere doesn't mess up the timing. I really only use it so I can edit in progressive. The rest goes right the hell over my right-brained head.

Of course, as I said, DVD2AVI can export AVI files straight out, which can then be dropped into your editor of choice, so the complicated scripting I mentioned above isn't necessary. Just another option.

Date: 2005-01-10 01:58 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] strawberrycocoa.livejournal.com
You have to go to Audio and select Channel 1. It's No Audio by default, and the audio is saved as a seperate file.

Date: 2005-01-10 02:29 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] strawberrycocoa.livejournal.com
The blocking you're referring to is caused by compression. Set the AVI codec to something lossless, such as HuffYuv, for high-quality source AVIs.

As for the little lines, those are supposed to be there. They're called scanlines. If you've been capturing off of a TV, I imagine they haven't been there before (I don't know, I've never done it. I always work from rips.)

Basically, digital video is layed in an upper and a lower field. The process is called Telecining. The scanlines are the seperation between the two fields. You can get rid of them either in pre or post production by Inverse Telecining the footage. For post production, you'd have to take the final export from WMM into TmpegEnc and use the Inverse Telecine function in the options there. For preproduction, use AVISynth.

Firstly, here is something I forgot to mention last time (sorry). The AVISynth I use is not the usual one. What I use is something from www.animemusicvideos.org designed to auto-load a lot of plug-ins and make AVISynth easy to use. First you will need to go here (http://www.animemusicvideos.org/guides/avtech/amvapp.html) and download the AMVApp. The installation directions and a lot of other nifty stuff come with it. Also, if you go to www.animemusicvideos.org, they have an extensive guide to using AVISynth for prepping footage. I's applicable to live-action as well, and may offer some help to you in learning the program.

I will also go through my basic way of using AVISynth. I'm going to try to make this as simple as I can, so I apologize in advance if I say something you already know.

[1] Save your video source from DVD2AVI as a DVD2AVI Project File.

[2] You will need to right-click somewhere you can easily find and make a Text document. Change the extension from .txt to .avs (if you can't see the extensions, go to Tools>Folder Options>View and unselect Hide Extensions For Known File Types). I find it helps to right-click on the AVS file, go to Properties, and set it to open with Notepad.

[3]Input the following script into the AVS:

- - - -

MPEG2Source("Direct Path To D2V")
Telecide()
Decimate(cycle=5)
AssumeFPS(24)

- - - -

Replace "Direct Path to D2V" with the pathway to the D2V. This must include EVERYTHING, starting with C:\ and going through each folder to the D2V. I usually just open up the folder with the D2V and copy-paste the path from the address window to the AVS.

Note: the last line may not be needed with WMM, but I'm not sure. I don't know anything about WMM. It takes the footage speed up VERY VERY SLIGHTLY to make it 24 frames per second instead of 23.976.

The MPEG2Source command is what directs AVISynth to the D2V, and in turn the footage itself on the VOBs (assuming you install the AMVApp. Otherwise you have to input scripts for a lot of other plug-ins, and I don't know those). Telecide and Decimate Inverse Telecine the footage from the interlaced 29.97 fps to a progressive 23.976 framerate.

Then you import the AVS file into your video editor of choice. I must warn you, though, that the footage will run slow as sin. I usually just tolerate it, but you may not have the patience for that. If not, take Virtualdub, open the AVS in that, set the codec to something nice like Huffyuv, and save it as an AVI that way.

As for getting it into WMM, I'm afraid I'm not familiar with the program. I mostly use Adobe Premiere 6.5

Hope I was able to help. ^____^

Date: 2005-01-11 04:08 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] strawberrycocoa.livejournal.com
Unfortunately, yes. HuffYuv is lossless, which means it has very good quality, but large file sizes.

Generally, I make AVI clips out of each little snippet I want to use, and not the whole thing. Annoying, but it saves space.

Date: 2005-01-08 01:21 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] maubast.livejournal.com
Do I understand (from comments to another LJ user) that you're using WMM to vid? if so, email me and maybe I can help: ckr @ livejournal.com

OMG please help :(

Date: 2005-03-31 12:49 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] pinacoladaz.livejournal.com
hey azul told me to come here because you have good advice on how to create peter pan vids.. im so... lost!!!! i tried reading your guyss conversation and carry out the same instructions but i think im too stupid! its too hard! im only 15 so maybe that weighs me down.. anyways, i would really be grateful if you could give me step by step instructions as to how to actually make a peter pan vid.. the only programs ive downloaded are dvd decrypter and virtual dub mod? she said i needed something else too.. dvdavi2 or something? i have no idea what to do so please please help!!!

x0x0x0x0x0x0x0x- jeanette

Re: OMG please help :(

Date: 2005-04-05 07:37 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] maubast.livejournal.com
I doubt I can help - I use an external DVD player hooked to my video card. I wish I could help. Here's a link which might help you:

http://www.livejournal.com/users/permetaform/150126.html

Try this one too

Date: 2005-04-05 07:38 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] maubast.livejournal.com
http://www.livejournal.com/users/permetaform/166861.html

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